So, the choice is between the Denon DL-110 and the Audio-Technica VM540ML. Secondly something to consider is the type of speakers you have meaning will you need an amp or not - IIRC the LP120 has a built in preamp, so your fine on that front. 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A couple of little mistakes I made when setting up; I left the anti skating dial at zero, instead of setting to the same vtf as the tonearm. The AT-LP120 series has built its reputation on (4) key features: 1.1The LP120 series features a direct-drive motor which is unique in this price range. I've had my LP120 for 8 months and love it. This video is about Audio Technica LP120 set up guide. If not, no big deal. Thank you all for the discussion and just for being a awesome community! I have mine running I to a set of high quality speakers and I am more than satisfied with the sound. I honestly would try to find a used turntable, the only problem is I really don't know what I'm looking for. 1) Replace the felt slip mat with a rubber mat. I've gone and looked at Craigslist and eBay but just feel completely at a loss of what I should be looking out for. And it is a very close race indeed. It has built-in preamp, adjustable anti-skate setting, pitch control with strobe, and USB out for recording. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} As I said, though, I've had mine for 4 years now and it's been great. 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Hi all. Why not Audio-Technica’s 120? I would need to spend money elsewhere to complete the setup? Last autumn, I purchased an Audio-Technica AT-LP120 turntable based off the great online reviews I read. ._2a172ppKObqWfRHr8eWBKV{-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;margin-right:8px}._39-woRduNuowN7G4JTW4I8{border-top:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-lineColor);margin-top:12px;padding-top:12px}._3AOoBdXa2QKVKqIEmG7Vkb{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);border-radius:4px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;margin-top:12px}.vzEDg-tM8ZDpEfJnbaJuU{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);height:14px;width:14px}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between}._2ygXHcy_x6RG74BMk0UKkN{margin-left:8px}._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin-left:auto}._1-25VxiIsZFVU88qFh-T8p{padding:0}._3BmRwhm18nr4GmDhkoSgtb{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);-ms-flex:0 0 auto;flex:0 0 auto;line-height:16px} This is my belief as well. Someone's done a bulleted list of improvements you can make to it which can be found here. Audio-Technica AT-LP120-USB Direct-Drive Professional Turntable (USB & Analog), Silver by Audio-Technica Customer Questions & Answers Find answers in product info, Q&As, reviews There was a problem completing your request. The Audio-Technica AT-LP120-USB may be just what you are looking for. It looks very similar to the late, lamented Technics SL1200/1210 – and that's no bad thing. 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I don't think it deserves the hate it gets. I'd like to pass on a few things I've learned. And also, I use the same AT95E cart on my Technics - though with an improved JICO stylus - and it sounds just fine for my modest setup. Spent under $100. I'd say Craigslist or a thrift store. 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The problem is, my budget is fairly low (about 200 - 250 Euros) and I'm thinking about the Audio Technica AT-LP3 or the AT-LP120. (The easiest way to tell them apart is the AT95E is green while the ATP-2XN is white.). I'm not looking for some amazing, crystal clear set up. Thanks for your input! The biggest complaint I've heard about it is the built in preamp is not very good, but the sound will still go through the board when it's set to bypass. 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You'll know if you haven't because the output will be very quiet. Audio-Technica: AT-VMN95EN Stylus. If the Audio-Technica AT-LP120-USB doesn’t fit your aesthetic, consider the Denon DP-300F instead. It's a manual table, so there's a bit more user interaction involved when a record ends. Got a sweet deal on it; the thing is a tank and it plays fantastically. Well, maybe that should be a sign that attacking people with experience isn't exactly in your wheelhouse. The LP120, while like MrRom92 said, isn't perfect, but if you set it up correctly, it's not going to damage your records and definitely provide a better listening experience than the plastic turntables. Great deals on Audio Technica At Lp120. This video is about Audio Technica LP120 set up guide. That is the only turntable I recommend. The MKIII has an 18dB/Octave crossover, whereas the MKII, which is the version currently available on Amazon, has a 12dB/Octave crossover. The LP-120 is a fine choice. 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