Marvel and DC fans don't. Gohan was the strongest unfused being in DBZ canon at the end of the series. A bit more on Zeta later in the article. "Dragon Ball - Canon. The trunks special in the manga is way different and s***tier than the movie, same with the bardock special. How you make everything fits after that - if there is an actual problem, or if they actually care to make it fit at all - it's another issue. Rate. 1- Beerus nor Whis are mentioned/shown in The Last 2 Episodes of Dragon Ball Z, 2- Super Saiyan God on Goku nor Vegeta is mention/shown, 3- No mentions of the events from Battle of Gods/Resurrection 'F', 4- Bulma says its been 10 years since she's seen Goku in the last 2 episodes yet Battle of Gods takes place 5 years after Majin Buu appears and Resurrection 'F' takes place 1 year after Battle of Gods and the third Untitled Unannounced Rematch Movie Between Goku and Beerus Battle of Gods movie takes place 6 years after Resurrection 'F', 5- Uub will appear as a God reincarnate in Dragon Ball Super its been announced therefore throwing the last 2 episodes of dragon ball Z away and decimating Dragon Ball GT from canon whilst adding three video games to canon: Dragon Ball Heroes, Dragon Ball Shinbudokai, and Dragon Ball: Xenoverse. Messages: 537 Likes Received: 2 Trophy Points: 168 Joined: Nov 7, 2013 Reputation: So from what I see from a majority of people, they consider Battle of Gods to be canon. As ever, Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. battle it out evenly, and though we don’t see who comes out the winner, both embody the fierce pride of their ancestors. Rate. its not that surprising. 45% Upvoted. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Of course, fans will know that Dragon Ball Super is the most recent anime addition to Akira Toriyama’s on-going franchise. I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts on this. I also didn't like End of Z at all. I hope it gets retconned. Rate. My biggest point of confusion is the fact that Pan is 4 in the final events of DBZ which means she was born 6 years after Goku kills Buu. All we know is that Super will lead into End of Z.We don't know what is getting retconned and what isn't. solutions to all above except for 5 ? Rate. Follow 251. hide. Source on them saying they wouldn't be changing anything? Reviews: 0. Gohan was the strongest unfused being in DBZ canon at the end of the series. 6.8. Of course, as we know, Gogeta officially wasn't introduced into canon until the recent Dragon Ball Super movie, Broly, that also introduced the legendary Super Saiyan officially. A list of power levels from Weekly Jump #31, 1989. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. For starters, there's no officially defined "canon", as neither Toriyama nor Toei Animation have ever went on record to say as such. DBZ Battle of Gods: Canon or Non-Canon? They're non-canon. Although Super starts months after Kid Buu’s defeat, There are signs (Or at the very hopeful wishes) that the series will not abruptly end with Goku taking Uub as his pupil as occured in Z’s finale. Nah. save. Yeah could probably be retconned, no biggie. Hence it is obvious that the new movie might very likely be canon as well. 2. We know this based on recent comments from Akira Toriyama. It’s hard to swallow for a few fans, but Super Saiyan Rage Future Trunks is actually ridiculously strong. During the History of Dragon Ball exhibit at the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour, official names were given for each of the canon story arcs in both the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Supermanga. RELATED: Dragon Ball: 5 DC Heroes Piccolo Can Defeat (& 5 He Can’t) The End of Tears: Manga Canon: 2005-05-11: 135: The Promise That Could Not Be Kept: Manga Canon: 2005-05-18: 136: Deep Cover!? @planetcaptainamerica: when was Dragon Ball GT ever considered conanon? A Super S-Ranked Mission! its not like fans as passionate as dbz fans are will care anyways. Filler: 2005-06-08: 139: Pure Terror! 8. As a child, Pan's short hairstyle resembles her mother, Videl, has a pale skin complexion, and inherits her black eyes from her father, Gohan. There is a ten year time skip between them, leaving plenty of room for Toriyama to work with. @jinpogi1010: Why did you come into a thread of a series you haven't finished if you didn't want spoilers? DBZ-The end of earth George Nicula. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. With a total of 39 reported filler episodes, Dragon Ball Z has a low filler percentage of 13%. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Women exaggerate things all the time. Toei’s original animated canon for Dragon Ball consisted of the first Dragon Ball adaptation, Dragon Ball Z, and finally Dragon Ball GT. Rate. The only thing that can't fit is the line from Bulma about not having seen them all for how ever many years. The canon is the DB manga, which is continued with the DB Super anime and manga. He was raised in a faraway planet by his father, Peragus. Dragon Ball Z was an anime series that ran from 1989 to 1996. After everything that’s happened in super up until this point, I find it really hard to believe that none of this would get mentioned at the tournament. Also I remember Tien saying something like they'd probably never see him again at the end of Bojack but I'd have to check. In scenarios like this the traditional works more canon. It's all speculation as to whether or not either trained or didn't train. That said, yes, the last three episodes showing Pan are canon. Yes. Putting this at the end of DBZ instead of after Buu is pointless. Pikkon and Garlic Jr. are from non-canon filler segments of the anime, and are not featured in the canon manga. Will these final episodes get re-written? Sho_Nuff82. Jump to: Dragon Ball Super Episode List Hide Episode Titles # Title Type Airdate; 1: The Peace Reward - Who Will Get the 100 Million Zeni? 8 2 28. comments. Half the dam episodes of DBZ series are not canon, just filler. Canon and Dragon Ball have always had a complicated relationship, but Super has arguably muddied the waters even further. So anytime from mid September onward would have worked for the time frame of Battle of Gods. Let me explain, We know for a fact that multiple timelines exist, look at the ‘future’ timeline and the ‘main’ timeline. As a teen, she has a hairstyle similar to her grandmother, Chi-Chi as it is shoulder-length and has black hair just like her paternal grandparents, her parents, her uncle and her maternal grandfather. Image Source: Rhemedi. If you’re looking to stir up drama within the Dragon Ball fandom, all you have to do is bring up the canon. The trouble I have now with the canon is I think the anime version of DBS is terrible and the manga is better and more in line with the manga in a lot of ways with regards to Spoiler: incoming. In a 2001 round table discussion with Dengeki Hobby folks from Bandai discussed what counts as canon. Why? Cause in super he references uub to vegeta saying “yeah apparently buu has been reincarnated as a human kid on earth” insinuating that he actually hasn’t met or seen uub at all. The Zeta Gundam movies, which features a significant change to the end of the story, are technically canon as well. They wouldn't bother at all with nostalgia if the older audience didn't matter, their the grown ups now with money to buy the merchandise for themselves or their children, which is the bulk of their income. AMV Dragon Ball Z---Goku Vs Broly Musica: In The End---Linking Park Here is a summary of my points answer to Will the Dragon Ball fans finally admit that the DBS manga is the true canon for DBS, seeing as how the Dragon Ball Super manga has surpassed the Dragon Ball Super anime in #42? its not like fans as passionate as dbz fans are will care anyways. The Otherworld Tournament is episodes 195-199 in Z and episode 98 in DB Kai which DBS is directly canon to. Also, SS3 Gotenks was stronger than SS3 Goku (purportedly). I… That is my general rule of thumb for anything DB to DBZ. report. For me and 90% of the rest of us, anime=canon period. Main article: Dragon BoyJust prior to ending the successful six-year run of his humor manga Dr. Slump, in the Weekly Shōnen Jump anthology magazine, Akira Toriyama started to toy with the ideas that he would later use in the Dragon Ball manga. Movies are not canon. In almost every respect, it does. Is that thing about Uub true though? 32:23 . The DB Super manga is an adaptation, which is why the DB Super anime is the primary canon, while the DB Super manga is the secondary canon. It's still canon until the moment they decide to retcon it or a part of it. We know this based on recent comments from Akira Toriyama. If he had a hand in it then it is canon. 4. The new movie coming out in December is supposed to be set after the end of the Tournament of Power i.e Dragon Ball Super. From a timeline stance, they’re two different timelines. Are any of the other movies or specials canon or no? 5. scans and links or you're just trolling and no, fan reasons don't make certain parts of the actual manga non canon. Even Star Wars fans have seemingly gotten closer to getting over it. Dragon Ball GT comes to an end at the World Martial Arts Tournament, where an elderly Pan watches her great-great-grandson (though he is just her grandson in the English dub) square off against his sworn rival. Rate. And maybe Bulma was just being a typical woman when she said it's been ten years. Loading... Unsubscribe from George Nicula? You gotta rewatch DBZ then bro. Someone tried to argue that DBZ filler is canon as much as the Manga by itself is. Dragon Ball: Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle (1987) TV-14 | 45 min | Animation, Action, Adventure . 0. share | improve this answer | follow | answered Mar 13 '18 at 21:05. 9. It's pretty much a necessity at this point. Thus, while Pan herself is a canon character, this profile covers her non-canon version in GT. Each arc is relatively self-contained, with story elements building steadily towards the next major showdown, and each main character follows a straight-forward progression. its not that surprising. People stop bullying me here I'm innocent as angel!! In total 291 episodes of Dragon Ball Z were aired. @planetcaptainamerica: DB online should also be canon. NON CANON; a completely different story, where the same characters have different roles fighting a new villain. (This "IMDB version" stands for both Japanese and English). Also by "permanent transformation" for SSGSS, i think they meant they can hold it for long periods of time like a regular SSJ transformation where as Goku held his first Super Saiyan God transformation for only a few minutes before it disappeared. Reason for this is because of one of two … They technically did, vegeta in super already knows of uub while in End of Z, that was vegetas first time knowing uub, Leave it alone just retcon the 5 years part unless your gonna turn the last tournament into an arc. Dragon Ball Z had an ending which touched the hearts of many of us. It’s nice to see that years after DBZ, Piccolo is still doing ... a first for a canon character. You asked if the end of Dragon Ball Z was canon, and I told you the writers wrote a piece of episode in Dragon Ball Super meant to connect that with the end of Dragon Ball Z, because it's canon. Because I've seen Toyotaro say they must reach End of Z but he didn't give any other details surrounding that point. Forum Posts. Revival of F doesn't necessarily put the end of DBZ into question but GT was always never considered canon. It could have recontextualized the first movie as the start of DBZ ’s own movie continuity ala the original Dragon Ball. Is this not regarded as canon? the argument is the anime and filler in it can be seen as canon. Most people state DBZ is canon. Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot's Secret Boss Fight Explained. Sure they've confirmed Uub but they can't possibly have things play out exactly the same. A Rate. Also, Garlic Jr and Pikkon fall under the forgotten category, not non-canon, as both did appear in the main DBZ series however briefly. However, we've chosen not to include Bardock, who is unique in that he is the only character to ever go from non-canon to canon officially. Not to people who are old enough to remember what went down and what didn't in dbz. Toriyama flames it every chance he gets. … Eight Things They Changed From DBZ To Dragon Ball Super (And Two They Kept The Same) ... 4 Broly Is Made Canon. 3. Throughout the years, the canon of Dragon Ball Z has been widely discussed among the DBZ community, but now it’ll be spoken about like never before - as Dragon Ball has no canon… Mainly being that power levels are inconsistent. End of Z still canon? I've attached a … share. Any Dragon Ball Movies - Not canon since they're definitive recreations of The Dragon Ball TV Shows Sagas into 30 minutes to 2 full hours. DBZ: Resurrection 'F' (movie) comes after previous movie DBZ: Battle of Gods. The following is the list of character birth dates and ages throughout Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT.The list is based on age information stated in the manga/anime, given in Dragon Ball guides, and most taken from the actual timeline.This list includes the Dragon Team and their support, most villains, and other characters. In 1983, he wrote two issues of the Dragon Boy manga for the Fresh Jump anthology magazine. 3. We don't know how they'll handle it, if they do, but all that happened in the EoZ will happen. No-one in charge has ever outlined a set of "truths" for the series. Also, SS3 Gotenks was stronger than SS3 Goku (purportedly). Note: Pan first appeared near the end of Dragon Ball Z as a child, but did not acquire any notable feats until she was featured as a central supporting character in GT. That our heroes actually managed to overcome him, in the end, is a miracle in and of itself. Error: please try again. 0. This story, left unfinished, merges the comic style of Dr. Slump with an action-oriented plot. The first issue of Dragon Ball debuted on November 20, 1984 in Weekly Shōnen Jump (#51), the same anthology magazine where Dr. Slump had previously been published. End of Z was trash. The new movie coming out in December is supposed to be set after the end of the Tournament of Power i.e Dragon Ball Super. It's not canon for a list of reasons. the argument is the anime and filler in it can be seen as canon. CBR Recommended for you. Yes he was eluded to twice in Dragonball Super, once where Goku said he knew of someone very powerful, but right now they are just a baby, and the other time he flat out said they were the reincarnation of Kid Buu. I lost all hope of it being retconned when Dende indirectly mentioned the existence of Uub and how Goku should seriously consider training him. Or a midquel, if you will. In Dragon Ball Z, there was a non-canon character, a lost Saiyan known as Broly. power levels. Non-canon is anything that is not in the manga and non-filler anime -- so that includes all of the movies and OVAs, as well as Dragon Ball GT and a few filler arcs. The term canon refers to everything that is created by either the original creator, or current head of the series, unless otherwise noted. Nah. I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts on this. Is the ending of Z still canon now? The series was then published weekly and on a very tight schedule (14 pages per week, plus title page) for nearly eleven years, ending on May 23, 1995. It's both canon and non-canon because DB has no canon. Mixed Canon/Filler: 2015-07-05: 2: To the Promised Resort! If Uub becomes a god I'm giving up on DB, the god stuff is boring. There have only been miscellaneous, one-off, not-especially-committal statements... and even then some of those were later contradicted, either explicitly or silently. I've attached a source with regard to the same here. @planetcaptainamerica:You gotta source for that? Modern Dragon Ball technically began life as a continuation of Dragon Ball Z through Battle of Gods, but the Dragon Ball Super anime and manga are now holding the reigns of the franchise’s canon, telling the same story alongside one another. Unless you are referring to that 5 year comment from Bulma everything is pretty ok when it comes to canon. Vegeta Goes on a Family Trip!? Dragon Ball GT has been cancelled out canon when Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' came out (which are canon). She wears a red midriff shirt, sports an orange bandana on her head, chains on the right side of her gray … The Complete Dragon Ball Canon Timeline Explained - Duration: 32:23. Depends on your definition of "canon". There is nothing else that can't fit, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! The following is the list of character birth dates and ages throughout Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT.The list is based on age information stated in the manga/anime, given in Dragon Ball guides, and most taken from the actual timeline.This list includes the Dragon Team and their support, most villains, and other characters. So really, all it would have taken for Battle of God's time frame to work with the end of Z is for the events of the movie to take place near the end of Age 778, so that a normal 9 month pregnancy (assuming a human gestation period for Pan) would end sometime after May of Age 779. You've got the original core work, and then everything else is a side-story in some form or another. Since Dragon Ball Super begins sometime shortly after the defeat of Buu, are the flash forward events of DBZ wiped from canon, similar to the GT history? 7. Dragon Ball Z: Piccolo says « I’ve never felt so much power! That would be much cooler than the sniveling little wimp Uub that we originally got lol. Also it was stated Gohan never fought anyone after Cell (Although it makes sense that canon wouldn't mention non-canon). 5. Mixed Canon/Filler: 2015-07-12: 3: Where's the Rest of the Dream?! It is an interquel. 7 years ago. @midnightdragon18: It explains how something CAN'T be canon it doesn't have any announcement or fongormation therefore its nor a lie or fan fiction. Followers . Pikkon appears in the Buu Saga in both the Z … This was back in the episode where Dende helped Goku find Android 17. Question. Yes it is. They were in the manga. Never did read the manga. Rate. Dragon Ball Super has made many changes to the canon and lore established years previously in Dragon Ball Z.Compared to many long-running anime and manga franchises, Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball isn't especially complicated. Rate. This is final. They both feature a Saiyan form called Super Saiyan God which GT does not mention or seen. TheGloryXros. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. »…and, basically, so on and so on…add randomly Vegeta who say «Kakarotto» Will these final episodes get re-written? Super and GT, aren’t related at all because, 1. 4 years ago. Toei’s original animated canon for Dragon Ball consisted of the first Dragon Ball adaptation, Dragon Ball Z, and finally Dragon Ball GT. Anime canon in a DBZ sense is referring to things which only exist in the anime continuity which would include the filler and adaptation changes and even some of the movies. 6. It's form original creator, not like GT (Dragon Ball GT isn't connected to this). Member. So I’m confused at the fact that at the end of DBZ there is a martial arts tournament where goku leaves at the end after fighting uub to train him. If you want to go with the common definition that the original 519 chapters as serialized in Watch it if you want, but it has (almost) the same story as beginning of Dragon Ball Super. Dragon Ball logo. 0. It's not canon for a list of reasons. Because, despite the marketing, Dragon Ball Super is not a sequel to the Dragon Ball manga series, or the DBZ TV series. Rate. This is the universal definition of what canon means. 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